Last chapter after we've witnessed that Ulti has been knocked out by Yamato, she recovered real quick and continued chasing Luffy who also only accomplished to almost loosened up Page One's jaw a tad with a Elephant Gun, while P1 has been off guard:
I am under the impression that the same thing happend in Udon to Queen. People believed he was playing dead, but given the context, it makes more sense to me, that he was at least momentarily knocked out, but recovered real quick:
So in conclusion, it's heavily implied to me that all of the mentioned people are awakened Zoan user and while Sanji failed indeed in reducing the enemy's ranks, he knocked P1 out regardless and was likely under the impression that he did for good.
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And that's the reason why he wasn't talking about, when he grouped up with Law, Usopp and Franky again, cause it makes no sense to leave such important information about the enemy's force's out if Sanji wasn't under the impression that he would have won, or something else happend like Drake and Hawkins showed up etc...
I was thinking that during the War, the Beast Pirates are going to have the advantage if the War drags out. And if they can recover quickly then force may not be enough.
I mean isn't this obvious by now? People wishing for Sanji vs Page One rematch not knowing that Page has high recovery lmao
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Anyway, I don't expect Page to get low diff by Sanji again but I expect Sanji face a different opponent other than Page such as Queen or King because rematch seems boring at this point
This is a reasonable take. One implication of this take is that Sanji's final kick is far more powerful than an Elephant Gun. Page One took an Elephant Gun (the same attack that blocked Katakuri's Power Mochi, and made Kaido go White Eyed) from Post Udon Luffy and he took only minor damage. The Elephant Gun was also dealt as an uppercut, so it should have been more powerful than if it landed on his torso or something.
Elephant Gun didn't come close to OHKOing Page One, so I'm not sure Raid Suit Sanji has that firepower without his named moves (or Diable Jambe).
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Alternatively, Raid Suit Sanji landed one other attack on Page One's dinosaur form during the battle, and it dealt less damage than Elephant Gun (it didn't draw blood while Elephant Gun did). This doesn't look good for an argument that Raid Suit Sanji is capable of dealing out much greater damage than Elephant Gun with nameless techniques.
P.S: I'm a bit iffy on veteran equivalents in the Beast Pirates being awakened. Might this not just be a perk of Ancient Zoans? Their subordinates words support this:
I hope they are awakened otherwise it is a bit weird that Momo isn't doing better than he is, unless the lack of ridiculous regen/scale defence in base is why the fruit is considered a failure, though some of the time it just feels like his fruit gets forgotten entirely.
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And some people say low diff because sanji kicked p1 and he also bled. And? P1 smashed sanji too who didn't got much damage because of his i-dont-want-my-families-technique-but-i-do-it-anyway suit.
It's crazy that it stil has to be explained...even a character without a Zoan would have recovered in that time. It was more then a weak ago (i think it was 10 days or so) when Sanji fought P1. That's more than enough time to recover.
In the anime Sanji land a huge hit who was like a meteor was falling into the city. He attack make a huge creater yet Pageone wasn't still K.o which show his great durability/endurance. And now the point come where both anime/manga confirm something with statements.
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Against Pageone after Sanji land his last kick, he said Pageone durability was insane, he was very tough and didn´t go down, that was when Sanji leave the battle. And in the chapter where fodder mentioned the df power of ancient zoan and saying something about how tough are Pageone and Ulti.
As @Cinera said, Oda was hyping the toughness and durability of the flyers and the calamity, he already did it with Jack, Queen and in last chapters with Pageone and Ulti. I wouldn´t say that Pageone was K.O, more like get knocked down and stand up really fast again.
With these all panels Oda want to make it clear that you need far more to take out these beasts because they really can stand up fast again, also recover very fast. In the war they need to take out them with really powerfull attacks so they beeing down for at least 1-2days without standing up again.
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All Flying six members are very likely awakened, surely so tbh. They regain consciousness like minutes after going down and recover at worst several days after being beaten ( if they were damaged heavily).
I mean Sanji was easily dominating Page but you have to know that Ancient Zoan is known for their durability so it's not surprised that Sanji didn't beat him quickly like he was supposed toProbably exactly what happened in the anime, Sanji saying he couldn’t afford to let the battle destroy the city so he backed off.
If Sanji had actually beaten Page One I think it would have been mentioned. Doesn’t mean Sanji can’t do it, he obviously can, but a Flying Six member being defeated would have had some effect on the plot and that just didn‘t happen.
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It would of probably taken a large amount of time judging from the notion it took an ACoC imbued punch from Big Mom hitting PO in a very sensible spot to just get much closer to defeat him.
After the fight, there was no mention of Page One being active for 2 weeks straight indicates that he got defeated. And Sanji was back in one peace. Why would Sanji leave the fight if Page's gonna go around and destroys the city just to look for him? Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
It’s pretty obvious Sanji would’ve wiped the floor with Page One, the problem is the city would’ve taken too much damage, more people wouldve shown up, and Sanji would’ve been outed for being in Wano which goes directly against the plan.
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Sanji fans will most likely have A win instead of using headcanon and say he got defeat with no proof oda did them dirty
We probably would've seen that aerial attack that had Page One screaming as Law, Usopp and Franky were leaving and maybe some other kicks as well but since Sanji was under a time limit, he would've bailed like in the anime before finishing Page One. Unlikely he did it within the amount of time it would have taken for Drake and Hawkins to arrive but in a 1v1 with no outside interference and time limit, Sanji would have beaten Page One.
It's not really that obvious that Sanji would have wiped the floor with Page One. Remember what occurred recently with Big Mom, that indicator cannot be slept over.
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Man you gotta stop posting those scans saying Sanji has same AP as ACoC from BM everywhere. If Pay Pay has passed out for good next chapter, these are gonna look hella clownish.King Moe said: I am not making narrative up, just saying how it's similar stance like BB's fight. BB was dominant and went off-screen to later show he wins with Ace sent to Impel Down and Macro retired temporarily after that. Sanji is dominant in fight and off-screen and we never see PO again for rest of the arc until back at Fire Festival. Click to expand... Read this quote text again and tell me again how those two situations are similar.
I personally think Sanji temporarily put Page One down, but even I admit we have no confirmation of it. We just know Drake was looking for him after their scuffle, but that's not an implicit confirmation.
As for Ace and Marco, we got literal on panel confirmation of their losses. Several times. Ace was put into Impel Down because he lost.
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King Moe said: Then please don't think my defense is something about fanboyism or forcing narrative when it just stating facts. You don't hear me saying Sanji will beat Kaido, stronger than Luffy, etc. like certain others do for a character on here. Just saying on his progress so far and why as M3 member, Luffy who face Yonkos, it make sense why Sanji and Zoro (If he can shape up) face YC lvl threats in the arc so to be close to Luffy's power, but still gap between them. It's same vibe as off-screen we didn't see how fight end and it shows that BB won on each just same Sanji beat PO off-screen and he never came back. Doesn't make sense where PO is active and he didn't come back. You haven't counter that at all and just pushing just Sanji didn't beat him despite he ragdoll him around the fight. The hints shows, I am not making
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